question regarding spears

[bunnnnnnn]

Yessir, case closed.

[Midwest]

Yessir, case closed.

If I put a spear and shield on a Steam Tank, does it gain Ethereal against Skink poison attacks?

Because, you know, otherwise, the ST is totally worthless. HOW DO YOU POISON METAL??!!!!!



Oh wait, that's how.

[nccliffo]

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I type fast and don't read over it before posting who does?

yes thats correct...but if you state your using the hand weapon you can right? and then get the parry rule? Just not the spear benefits of three rank fighting.


Also one othre misconception people aren't sure about. When you have spears you only fight in three ranks if you get charged right? Not if they charge? Aside from high elves who fight in three ranks if they charge and four if they get charged because they are hokey high elves that always fight in one extra rank. Am I correct?

[bunnnnnnn]

You may not choose to use a hand weapon if you have a different weapon in this edition.

[GinaB]

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I type fast and don't read over it before posting who does?

1. Many of us do read over our post before submitting it, maybe you should consider doing the same.
2. Maybe you should type a little slower so that you type with a greater level of accuracy.
3. Doing both of these things will make you look better and more intelligent to those who read your posts.

[griffrat]

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I type fast and don't read over it before posting who does?

As GinaB stated many of us do read over our posts before hitting the submit button. The main reason for this is the clear and concise meaning that the people reading the post will have in regards to the question/statement. This will help other people in the response of an answer that will make sense to you and others reading the post. In terms of asking questions about rules it REALLY helps when your questions are clear and concise. When you state things as in the quote you are really dismissing people that want to help you in your quest to understand the rules. In other words if you don't care then why should I?

yes thats correct...but if you state your using the hand weapon you can right? and then get the parry rule? Just not the spear benefits of three rank fighting.

I think that you answered your own question. If you state that you are using sword and board (hand weapon and shield) for the purposes of a close combat option then you don't get any rules for spears. You aren't using spears then why on earth would you get a rule benefit for using spears? Also, you make this declaration at the beginning of the first round of close combat and that is the option that is used for the entire combat. For instance if you have a unit of Skaven Stormvermin and declare the “halberd” option. 1) you are stuck with the extra strength. 2) you also stuck with the loss of the point of armor for not having a shield. 3) you also lose of the ward save for not having sword and board.

Also one othre misconception people aren't sure about. When you have spears you only fight in three ranks if you get charged right? Not if they charge? Aside from high elves who fight in three ranks if they charge and four if they get charged because they are hokey high elves that always fight in one extra rank. Am I correct?

Spears allow for an extra rank to support, except on the charge (p91). If a spearman unit gets charged the front rank fights as normal. The second rank fights as supporting. The third rank fights with spears for the “spear” rule. Now if you are a high elf player in this same scenario then you would get the fourth rank as the benefit of being a high elf martial bad ass. This is an extrapolation of the pictures in the BRB on page 49.

On a side note your posts, as Middy pointed out to you are horrible in the area of grammar, as such are extremely difficult to read. If you continue to want help in understanding the rules, at least from me, you will take the time to clean up the grammar and make the questions clear and concise for your posts.

[Waltermandias]

I think that you answered your own question. If you state that you are using sword and board (hand weapon and shield) for the purposes of a close combat option then you don't get any rules for spears. You aren't using spears then why on earth would you get a rule benefit for using spears? Also, you make this declaration at the beginning of the first round of close combat and that is the option that is used for the entire combat. For instance if you have a unit of Skaven Stormvermin and declare the “halberd” option. 1) you are stuck with the extra strength. 2) you also stuck with the loss of the point of armor for not having a shield. 3) you also lose of the ward save for not having sword and board.

As Bunn said earlier, if you have a special close combat weapon (i.e. halberds or spears or great weapons, etc.) you DO NOT have the option to use your hand weapons. End of story. So if you give your dudes spears, they cannot use hand weapons in CC and thus never get the parry save.

[Midwest]

To specify, the 8th ed. BRB states that if a model has any kind of "special" close combat weapon (as Waltermandias points out), it has to use it.

There are (that I can think of) only two situations where a model with a spear, great weapon, etc can use its hand weapon instead:

1) Something has destroyed the special weapon - i.e. the model now only has a hand weapon to select from. Off the top of my head I can't think of anything that destroys spears or halberds - only thing I can think of is magic weapons/items that allow you destroy a magic weapon. But I'm sure there's stuff out there that can do it.
2) The model has a special rule allowing it to choose. Black Orcs, fex, have "Armed to da Teef", which allows them to select which weapon option they want to use.

[griffrat]

Good points, I stand corrected.

[19DeltaScout]

What about Halberdiers and shields? Does that fall along the same rules as the hand weapon issue? (I don't have my rulebook at the moment.)

[Waltermandias]

Yes, if they have halberds they always have to use them in close combat and cannot choose to use hand weapons (and thus, by extension their shields.) This only applies to close combat though, so a unit with both shields and halberds (or shields and any special weapon) would still get to apply the armor save bonus for the shield against ranged attacks. Hence, there is a point to giving your halberd dudes shields, although it's not as good as last edition.

[bunnnnnnn]

What about great weapons? My guys use their hands to hold the great weapons, so they're hand weapons, right?

[Moore]

What about great weapons? My guys use their hands to hold the great weapons, so they're hand weapons, right?

I'm using my hands to answer your question... can you figure out the answer?

[Der Komissar]

It means Bunn is...number 1? Twice? Am I right? Am I right?!

[Midwest]

What about Halberdiers and shields? Does that fall along the same rules as the hand weapon issue? (I don't have my rulebook at the moment.)

Basically, the hand weapon is a weapon of last resort. ANY other weapon present, you have to use that weapon instead, with the exceptions mentioned above.

(And come to think of it, if you have a lance, unless they changed the rule about lances only being used in a round of combat on the same turn you charged...?)